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The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil – Our Organic Existence
The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was never meant to be used for self.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was in the garden because the capacity to be "as God's" represented both our greatest weakness and our greatest strength. Being made in the image of God meant we could be tempted to be unjust, using His position to dominate. But if we were to grow up into His image we had to see good and evil in balance (being compassionate) this perspective is the result of being whole, being one with the God who is with us.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a scale; it is as a capacity for innocence, for rest – either side of the scale (good on one side, evil on the other) not being weightier than the other. Between the poles of good and evil is our being in Him.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil had a fail-safe; it was as the law that could only be fulfilled, upheld by Love. In that regard it insured humility and life.
The tree was already in the garden, was already a result of our unity with God - but the act of consuming the fruit was selfish. We “wanted to be as gods knowing good and evil.” We were propositioned by Satan to harness it, to separate it from our unity with God, to use it to judge, to be as God apart from God – to be as God’s only.
After we ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil what was harmonious before became antagonistic. What was virtuous became contemptuous. We became predators. Weakness became strength and strength became weakness. “The world was subject to vanity.”
Before the fall the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the sign of an organic existence. There was no death or decay. All things were in balance. All things flowed from Him – all had access to the River of Life.
When God Himself was slain upon that tree by those who wielded "good" as a sword, the grounds for our judgments were themselves slain.
Where is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil today? Where is the capacity for our unity with God planted? The river of life now flows from His wounds…
… “And as much as you have done it to the least of these my brethren – you have done it unto ME.”
~ Vincent
Edited by Vince Sucec on 07/10/2009 at 1:05pm
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AMEN!..There is that word again "vanity"......."Vanity Fair" is a piece, an article a Brother in Christ just wrote today.
Edited by alicia myers on 07/08/2009 at 7:14pm
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All is vanity ! 
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Yes, it is Vincent.ALL!!..God shows me this everyday more and more..I am at the point where I am physically sick of the things in this world....and I am not kidding you.
The only thing that satisfies me is God...that is it...........
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Its a sick place Alicia to be sure ... sick because of all the envy ... He just wants to give us rest ...
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Vince Sucec wrote:
Its a sick place Alicia to be sure ... sick because of all the envy ... He just wants to give us rest ... |
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Amen.....Rest.....Give rest to the weary......
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It is funny you mention 'envy'.
I am in a forum where I post a lot and I really feel some of these people are envious. It is like they say, "who do you think you are, who are you to say what God said"..But, I keep on going because I am ONLY there because I am not my own and doing and saying what the Lord leads me to. It is like God is just giving me a preview of what I will deal with one day face to face. I pray I am in the Spirit then and not in the flesh, ........
I tell you, this flesh almost was about to lash out today. I had to take a break.
My heart goes out to God's people, it truly does.
One day all of this will be over.......and Praise God for that!..Until then, I got to keep fighting the good fight of faith.
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Amen just to rest on His lap for 1,000 years !!!
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Vince Sucec wrote:
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Oh Lord, I can't wait for that......Where is my dancing icon?.....
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The false biases of good and evil run deep into the phyche of man.
"Why do you call Me good?" - Jesus
If one side of the scale is weightier - say the "good" side - then you have a religious spirit that creates enemies - that excludes people from the kingdom based upon their concept of good - based upon the one side of the scale being weightier.
Excluding people from the kingdom is weilding the law, the concepts of good and evil as a sword.
Accrding to the pharisees Jesus broke the law - (their concept of good, the law without love) healing on the sabbath ect ect - but he "broke" them by fufilling them.
That is why when good and evil are in balance - their is a clarity of vision - we really see the people - we can remove the log from our eyes ...
Edited by Vince Sucec on 07/11/2009 at 11:20am
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So much truth contained in this! It was never intended that we should
sort, Label and categorize things as being intrinsically and eternally
"good" - only God is good. So it is only in HIM we can be moving in all the
possible good.
A lot of the human version apart from God of defining "this is good" "this
is evil" and so forth - outside and apart from Him causes a great mess,
imbalance, and great trouble. The core of our sin is in that we are trying
to be like God aside or apart from Him. And we often have verse and
chapter to "prove" our case. Like Job. And while there was evil and bad
things that happened to him, he was not embracing or encountering them
from within relationship with God but in standing apart and aside...to be
"as" God. Judging and evaluating God. Pressing his point.
And even "good" things - when done outside or apart from Him are not
good. So if we were sent one day by the Lord to do a "good" thing..then
our stubborn and self willed clinging to that "good" thing would cease to
be good. (too much of a "good thing")
All we are is to be contained in Him and that eternal life flow in Him.
I really liked the example of Jesus. What He said was quite plain but it
was not the boxed packaged humanly sorted variety the people were
accustomed to.
And there is indeed REST when we are moving in this. There remains a
sabbath rest for the people of God and NOW is the time...
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Yes the root of the matter is the nature of "absolutes."
It is about our concept of punishment. After we ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil we took the place of God. Thus "as God's" now we needed to sit as judge and JURY.
But because God is love, apart from God we couldnt righteously judge a person. Our persective of punishment was flawed.
Good and evil to us then is far different than it is to God.
To us it is bloodlust - it is injustice, it is entrapment - it is works, it is striving. It is an imbalanced measurement.
To God good and evil are/should be in balance - to God there is only fairness, there is only justice - there is only a righteous measurement.
The difference between a correct perspective of Good and evil or a flawed persective is one of separation or unity.
Good and evil with separation is elitism.
Good and evil with unity is compassion.
Edited by Vince Sucec on 07/11/2009 at 12:00pm
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Paul wrote in great detail regarding this in I Corinthians....the
categorizations and divisions/factions of people based upon real or false
"offenses" for lack of a better word just now.
He even went so far as to say it was bringing even physical sickness and
death - that not discerning the body. It's pretty serious stuff!
And we WILL all come into unity in Him. The people of God...this is how God
designed it!!!! And as we join together in Him we will also be changed into
His likeness...this doesn't happen as we faction and divide. (this is different
from disagreeing)
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yes the tree was in the garden so that we could learn compassion - He was crucfied upon the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - crucified by our weilding of that law as a sword - thus now to get to Him we must go through those very false biases that we have toward one another ....
Edited by Vince Sucec on 07/11/2009 at 12:25pm
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hmmmm...yeah....excellent. and we ARE in this together. If we were to try
and come to Him. to the cross (and through to the other side into that life
in Him) while at the same time stating "I'm not going in with THAT one!"
Then Christ is NOT divided. Therefore we yet were not entering the
fullness of life in Christ. It is simply impossible to divide Him.
Setting these boundaries and barriers bind us.
It's all resolved in Him. Freedom from human regulation THROUGH life IN
CHRIST. Only in him are we whole and wholly holy. If we are attaining to
be like or reflect Him then there's distortion.
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The distortions are dangerous. What has already been given to us needs to be processed correctly. It is like the subtlety of entitlement. Entitlement can either take us, like a little princess into a RAGE, like ... "Thats MINE, MINE, MINE !!!!"
Or like a princess (prince) with wisdom ... "How can I best use this gift for the Kingdom.?"
Edited by Vince Sucec on 07/13/2009 at 11:11am
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