"WHO IS A JEW?"
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Topic: "WHO IS A JEW?"
Posted By: Chris Williams
Subject: "WHO IS A JEW?"
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 5:47pm
Who Is A Jew?
"For we are
the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no confidence in the flesh." (Phil 3:3; NKJV) |
This question should be asked by
all Christians, especially since Jesus and all the Apostle's were both
physically and spiritually Jewish, or Hebrew. However, the answer to this
question takes us into far more knowledge than the above statement. This very
short article is "A MUST READ" during these last days. As you will see,
according to the scriptures below, God Himself defines a "Jew" as a Christian
(one who will enter into New Jerusalem, which is located within the One
Spiritual nation of Israel). Do you agree with God? I do, and thank
Him for this blessing SHARED. God is ONE Amen.
(All verses are in
NKJV)
"But he
is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the Spirit, not in the letter {External Law};
whose praise is not from men but from God" [Rom 2:29].
"Beware lest anyone
cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the
tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world,
and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of
the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head
of all principality and power. 11 In Him {Christ}
you were also circumcised with the
circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins
of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ..."
[Col 2:8-12]
"I know your works, tribulation, and
poverty (but you are rich); and I
know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but
are a synagogue of Satan {because their hearts are not circumcised}" [Rev 2:9].
"Indeed
I will make those of the synagogue
of Satan {because they have chosen not to have their hearts circumcised through Christ and the Holy Spirit}, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-- indeed I will
make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have
loved you" [Rev 3:9].
God our Father said to the physical nation of Israel:
"Circumcise yourselves to the LORD {God Almighty, our Father}, and take away the foreskins of
your hearts, you men of Judah {Jew} and inhabitants of Jerusalem, lest My
fury come forth like fire, and burn so that no one can quench it,
because of the evil of your doings" [Jer 4:4].
"FOR
WE {Christ's ONE Spiritual Church} ARE THE CIRCUMCISION, WHO WORSHIP
GOD IN THE SPIRIT, REJOICE IN CHRIST JESUS, AND HAVE NO CONFIDENCE
IN THE FLESH" [Phil 3:3]
It is in our hearts that we are
circumcised and transformed into the image of God. All who are Jews
inwardly, within their hearts, through God's Holy Spirit, receive
PRAISE FROM GOD, and God praises Himself through them. Those who say
they are Jews and are not, are those who have not circumcised their
hearts through God's Holy Spirit. God tells us that they are of the
Church [synagogue] of Satan. We all were of this Church/Synagogue
prior to receiving Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We all must
have our hearts changed into the image of the LIVING GOD through His
spirit who is HOLY!
I Pray That You Were As Blessed By This As I Was, Chris http://www.christine-williams-ministry.org - Unlimited permission
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Replies:
Posted By: Sherri Lynn
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 6:31pm
Is that what they call Replacement Theology?
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Posted By: Karen Samford
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 7:07pm
Romans ch.11 is very clear that he has not cast away his
chosen people.We are grafted in.
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Posted By: Janine Nicole
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 7:40pm
Just thoughtit would be good to post for us all to meditate on..Father give us understanding we ask in Jesus Name!
Romans 11
New International Version (NIV)
The Remnant of Israel
11 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means!#cen-NIV-28211A" title="See cross-reference A - A )'> I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham,#cen-NIV-28211B" title="See cross-reference B - B )'> from the tribe of Benjamin.#cen-NIV-28211C" title="See cross-reference C - C )'> 2 God did not reject his people,#cen-NIV-28212D" title="See cross-reference D - D )'> whom he foreknew.#cen-NIV-28212E" title="See cross-reference E - E )'> Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”?#cen-NIV-28213F" title="See cross-reference F - F )'> 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”#cen-NIV-28214G" title="See cross-reference G - G )'> 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant#cen-NIV-28215H" title="See cross-reference H - H )'> chosen by grace.#cen-NIV-28215I" title="See cross-reference I - I )'> 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works;#cen-NIV-28216J" title="See cross-reference J - J )'> if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain.#cen-NIV-28217K" title="See cross-reference K - K )'> The elect among them did, but the others were hardened,#cen-NIV-28217L" title="See cross-reference L - L )'> 8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear,#cen-NIV-28218M" title="See cross-reference M - M )'> to this very day.”#cen-NIV-28218N" title="See cross-reference N - N )'>
9 And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. 10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,#cen-NIV-28220O" title="See cross-reference O - O )'> and their backs be bent forever.”#cen-NIV-28220P" title="See cross-reference P - P )'>
Ingrafted Branches
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!#cen-NIV-28221Q" title="See cross-reference Q - Q )'> Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles#cen-NIV-28221R" title="See cross-reference R - R )'> to make Israel envious.#cen-NIV-28221S" title="See cross-reference S - S )'> 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles,#cen-NIV-28222T" title="See cross-reference T - T )'> how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles,#cen-NIV-28223U" title="See cross-reference U - U )'> I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy#cen-NIV-28224V" title="See cross-reference V - V )'> and save#cen-NIV-28224W" title="See cross-reference W - W )'> some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation#cen-NIV-28225X" title="See cross-reference X - X )'> to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?#cen-NIV-28225Y" title="See cross-reference Y - Y )'> 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits#cen-NIV-28226Z" title="See cross-reference Z - Z )'> is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off,#cen-NIV-28227AA" title="See cross-reference AA - AA )'> and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others#cen-NIV-28227AB" title="See cross-reference AB - AB )'> and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.#cen-NIV-28228AC" title="See cross-reference AC - AC )'> 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.#cen-NIV-28230AD" title="See cross-reference AD - AD )'> Do not be arrogant,#cen-NIV-28230AE" title="See cross-reference AE - AE )'> but tremble.#cen-NIV-28230AF" title="See cross-reference AF - AF )'> 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness#cen-NIV-28232AG" title="See cross-reference AG - AG )'> and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue#cen-NIV-28232AH" title="See cross-reference AH - AH )'> in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.#cen-NIV-28232AI" title="See cross-reference AI - AI )'> 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.#cen-NIV-28233AJ" title="See cross-reference AJ - AJ )'> 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree,#cen-NIV-28234AK" title="See cross-reference AK - AK )'> how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant#cen-NIV-28235AL" title="See cross-reference AL - AL )'> of this mystery,#cen-NIV-28235AM" title="See cross-reference AM - AM )'> brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited:#cen-NIV-28235AN" title="See cross-reference AN - AN )'> Israel has experienced a hardening#cen-NIV-28235AO" title="See cross-reference AO - AO )'> in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,#cen-NIV-28235AP" title="See cross-reference AP - AP )'> 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved.#cen-NIV-28236AQ" title="See cross-reference AQ - AQ )'> As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”#cen-NIV-28237AR" title="See cross-reference AR - AR )'>
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies#cen-NIV-28238AS" title="See cross-reference AS - AS )'> for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,#cen-NIV-28238AT" title="See cross-reference AT - AT )'> 29 for God’s gifts and his call#cen-NIV-28239AU" title="See cross-reference AU - AU )'> are irrevocable.#cen-NIV-28239AV" title="See cross-reference AV - AV )'> 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient#cen-NIV-28240AW" title="See cross-reference AW - AW )'> to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience#cen-NIV-28242AX" title="See cross-reference AX - AX )'> so that he may have mercy on them all.
Doxology
33 Oh, the depth of the riches#cen-NIV-28243AY" title="See cross-reference AY - AY )'> of the wisdom and knowledge of God!#cen-NIV-28243AZ" title="See cross-reference AZ - AZ )'> How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!#cen-NIV-28243BA" title="See cross-reference BA - BA )'> 34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”#cen-NIV-28244BB" title="See cross-reference BB - BB )'> 35 “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”#cen-NIV-28245BC" title="See cross-reference BC - BC )'> 36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.#cen-NIV-28246BD" title="See cross-reference BD - BD )'> To him be the glory forever! Amen.#cen-NIV-28246BE" title="See cross-reference BE - BE )'>
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Posted By: Chris Williams
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 8:05pm
Hi - no to my knowledge this is not replacement theology; however, I am not even familiar with that terminology. I have had this on my website since about 1999 or so and have never had any negative comments before. I copied scriptures to teach all of us, including me, what the scriptures say with regards to this topic. By placing them all within one spot - my site - we could read them and see the Truth as God wrote it.
I certainly am not an anti-Jew, or anti-semitic. I am a Christian, and have heard God/Christ/Holy Spirit for 24 years. I was told by God years ago that I am a Christian Jew and that led to this study. If you are a Jew/Hebrew in the flesh you can still read the verses. Some of them were written for the Hebrews before Jesus was born.
I didn't say these words. They are from the Bible. Why would anyone try to make them something they are not, or something they were not intended to be?
These scriptures do not eliminate the physical Jew - they say that even the physical Jew has to have their heart circumcised by Christ and the Holy Spirit. Please go back and re-read them again.
This is quoted from a page on my website (2007-2012) "God's Latest Prophetic Word Regarding Today" - I wrote down what God said (Please notice that it was written in 2007):
"July 11 2007:
while re-reading and editing
http://christine-williams-ministry.org/visions/feb18_tr ee-of-life-bears-fruit-and-gods-people-come-ful-circle.html -
- February
18, 2007
"The Tree Of Life Bears Fruit and God's People Come Full Circle"
God confirmed that "the time of the
fullness of the Gentiles {unsaved world} is complete, or
fulfilled". In this vision I represent the "Wife" of Christ {as a member within Her}, and God
said I was "completed" which is the same as "Full/Fullness". God
used Rom 11:16-25 to bring this to my attention.
Suggested Reading:
http://christine-williams-ministry.org/who-is-a-jew.html -
- Who Is A Jew
http://christine-williams-ministry.org/who-is-a-jew.html" style="text-decoration: none -
- {now on Openheaven above} A MUST READ!
...
Within the Vision,
http://christine-williams-ministry.org/visions/feb18_tr ee-of-life-bears-fruit-and-gods-people-come-ful-circle.html -
- February
18, 2007
"The Tree Of Life Bears Fruit and God's People Come Full Circle", God said, "It was as a representative and member within
Christ's "Wife", His Church, that I was completed in God our
Father. When God did this, He also "completed, or "fulfilled",
the time and body of the Gentiles, or all who were not and are
not, within Christ and His one SPIRITUAL nation Israel. On July
11, 2007 God confirmed that both His Wife and "the
fullness/COMPLETION" OF THE GENTILES ... has come", and Israel's partial blindness
will now end.
In Romans 11:25-32 Paul says to Christ's
Church, "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be
ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your
own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel
until the fullness of
the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.
The Deliverer {Christ Jesus} will come out of Zion, and He will
turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is My covenant with
them {Israel}, when I take away their sins.
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for
your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for
the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God
are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God
{Gentile}, yet have now obtained mercy through their
disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that
through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For
God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might
have mercy on all {both Jew and Gentile}" NKJV.
(1a) "fullness":
New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Expanded Greek-Hebrew
Dictionary defines the Greek New Testament word translated
above as "fullness": "NT:4138 pleroma ...
repletion or completion, i.e... multitude...". Again, God confirmed on July
11, 2007 that both His Wife and "the
fullness/COMPLETION" OF THE GENTILES ... has come", and Israel's partial blindness
will now end.
By the way, some might like reading a Vision given to me by Jesus in 2011 - it made me cry as I saw it:
http://christine-williams-ministry.org/visions/2011/feb 6_2011-Jesus-Christ-raises-dead-golden-gate-jerusalem-israel .html" style="text-decoration: none -
Father I Pray, In Christ's Name, That You Fill All Who You Have Created With Your Fullness, In Christ's Love, Chris Williams
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Posted By: Janine Nicole
Date Posted: 09/21/2012 at 9:04am
Hi Chris,
Thank you for all you have shared. Just so I know I am understanding you corrctly, are you saying that God has revealed to you that all the unbelievers (gentiles) who are going to be saved are saved? Do you mean that all the rest that are currently lost will never be saved? Please help me understand what you are saying. I believe God is calling forth those who will rule and reign with Him now..but that there will be countless more saved. Revelation reveals that countless more will be saved through the tribulations upon the earth.
In Christ's love,
Janine
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Posted By: Chris Williams
Date Posted: 09/21/2012 at 12:30pm
Hi Janine, Thank you for posting the scripture! I intended to return today and thank you and now I see that you have posted too.
I didn't say this. Do you think that the scripture says this? I think and wrote: "(1a) "fullness":
New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Expanded Greek-Hebrew
Dictionary defines the Greek New Testament word translated
above as "FULLNESS": "NT:4138 pleroma ...
repletion or COMPLETION, i.e... MULTITUDE...".
Again, God confirmed on July
11, 2007 that both His Wife and "the
fullness/COMPLETION" OF THE GENTILES ... has come", and Israel's partial blindness
will now end."
If we read the definition of "Fullness" and apply it to BOTH Christ's Wife" and "the Gentiles", and we read God's comment and the ABOVE scripture, I believe He is saying (something like) I, God, will complete/fill both the Wife and Gentiles with myself." In my opinion, in these last times, God can and will COMPLETE AND FILL BOTH with Himself - through Jesus Christ.
It is my opinion that we should all remain in prayer for all the earth and the salvation of all human beings.
God has, and has always had, but one ETERNAL INTENT - and all the other feeds off this one ETERNAL INTENT: THE SALVATION OF MANKIND! This last statement is from God, and He taught it to me many many years ago.
Why would God want to fail to save anyone? Remember, Christ gave His life to save us all. Sometimes it means giving God His time to "save" others as He saved us.
You say, "Revelation reveals that countless more will be saved through the tribulations upon the earth." I am absolutely in agreement with you.
When I think how long it took for Him to save me - WOW - how could I have anything but patience and great hope for all those who are not, as yet, saved. Our God can do all things! Right? Thank you again for taking the time to share Romans 11 with all of us. We are to walk in Christ's Love towards each other and I really appreciate you doing this, Sister. In Christ's Love, Chris
God just asked me to go in and copy this scripture and add it here: Rom 11:29-33 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! NKJV {It isn't up to us to say who will and will not be saved - believe and have hope that God can save all - I do}
Again, in our Saviors Love Towards ALL, Chris
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Posted By: Chris Williams
Date Posted: 09/21/2012 at 5:23pm
Hi again, as I was doing something else for God today, I re-read this verse. It is beautiful and I thought I would share it with regards to this post. The verses above, in the original post, were and are about "circumcision of our hearts; they are about God's preparation of our hearts within His Love. It is copied from the NKJV Bible:
[Eph 2:11-18] Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh — who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands — 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Christ Our Peace 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. NKJV
In Christ's Love, Chris
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Posted By: Janine Nicole
Date Posted: 09/21/2012 at 7:55pm
chris, thank you for explaining! I completely agree with you!
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Posted By: Karen Samford
Date Posted: 09/22/2012 at 7:32am
Blayne I too hate replacement theology it takes away hope
from his chosen people.But don't get me wrong I know we
are spiritual Israel.We are all made one in Jesus there
is neither Jew nor Greek bond nor free in the Lord Jesus
Christ.But when the fullness of the Gentiles are brought
in and I believe it is right upon us their eyes are going
to be open and it will be like life form the dead.It is
going to be glorious for all those who are called by
Jesus name.
Romans 11:18 says"Boast not against the branches. But if
thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that
I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and
thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear."
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Posted By: Chris Williams
Date Posted: 09/22/2012 at 6:26pm
This evening I was at OpenHeaven again; I was actually posting on someone else's word from God. The Holy Spirit suddenly reminded me of the following scriptures.
The Spirit of God said to add these two scriptures: 1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. NKJV
[Acts 2:17-21] And it shall come to pass in the LAST DAYS, says God, that I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH ... 21 And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' NKJV
The Bible teaches us that God has, and will, pour out His Spirit in the last days ON ALL FLESH, INCLUDING THOSE NOT YET SAVED. He also says, that it is only by the Holy Spirit that any of us, and all of us, were saved. This gives me great hope in God's ability to provide and cause all to receive His Salvation.
When I see how He has miraculously changed my heart and the hearts of those in my Bible Study, my friends (ESPECIALLY THIS LAST YEAR) - many of which have been in Christ for years - I believe He can do the same for those who have resisted His Salvation through Christ and God's Holy Spirit.
God has shown me that these are the things I must pray for now.
In Christ's Love, Chris
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Posted By: Janine Nicole
Date Posted: 09/24/2012 at 1:32pm
amen Chris!! amen and amen!
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Posted By: Chris Williams
Date Posted: 09/27/2012 at 6:53pm
Hi Janine, I am so blessed to see your post. Thank you so much and I praise and thank Jesus for His teachings to all of us. Love, Chris
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