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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 1:46pm | IP Logged Quote Ron McGatlin

The Spin Masters

By Ron McGatlin

(This was first written and distributed in October 2009 – Time to say it again)

The most critical issue in the entire world among all the people of the world is the coming forth of the kingdom of God. The first priority of all life according to Jesus is seeking the kingdom and His righteousness.

Fresh pure kingdom truth from heaven is flowing by the Spirit into the hearts of true apostolic servants/sons of God to transform God’s people and eventually the world to the kingdom of God.

No sooner is the fresh word of the kingdom spoken or written than the merchandising spin masters begin to tweak it and twist it to fit their programs and further their causes.

This is not referring to saying the same things in a different way or making application to the same principles in different ways to communicate kingdom truth in unique cultures and circumstances. This is speaking about mixing in other fallacious teachings coming from the religious past and twisting the kingdom word to make it fit another agenda. It is also noted that people are in different stages of seeking transition, and some are battling with releasing previous beliefs attained prior to hearing the word of the kingdom.

We are all at different places in our transformation and transition into the fresh restoration of kingdom. Obviously, while in transition the old religious things may for a season and to a degree coexist with the new kingdom reality. It is our intention to encourage and not to accuse the brethren who are still in early process of transformation from past teachings which, are being washed away by the Spirit and replaced with the true gospel of the kingdom as Jesus first proclaimed and demonstrated it. However, it is important to know the difference between the kingdom of God reality and where we have been.

Beware of the spin masters. Not everything that says “kingdom of God” on it or in it is the pure word of the kingdom. Some of what is being proffered today has been spun off into a good sounding perversion to manipulate people.

Personally, I believe that God is not pleased with the contamination of the pure gospel of the kingdom. I am sincerely concerned for the continued well-being of some who are mixing the kingdom word with fallacious teachings from the old church systems to keep their thing going. This seems to me to be ultimate merchandising and is not going unnoticed in heaven.

There is a deadly drug the enemy uses as a tool. This drug causes people to get hooked on using good things of God to feed their own needs or desires. This drug is like a poison that tastes good. When one begins to use it, more and more is required until there seems no way out of the addiction. This drug might be called “ministry mammon.”

This is not at all a new problem; it has been around for millennia. What is new to the situation is that in this season, the real gospel of the kingdom is now being proclaimed on a broad scale.

To whom much is given much is required.

The restoration of the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom is a vital step in the history of mankind and the world. It is very important and is where we have been heading since Christ Jesus proclaimed and demonstrated it two millennia ago. It is not good that some are treating the precious word of the kingdom with the same devices that have been applied to teaching and preaching in the past church and ministry systems of mixture.

Simply stated spinning off the gospel of the kingdom for ministry mammon or any other purpose will be met with much more immediate and intense corrective response from God than similar offenses in the previous religious season. There is more accountability since the return of the “Christ in His Body (temple) understanding and reality” that brought the return of the proclamation of Christ’s gospel of the kingdom again on earth.

To pretend obedience to the gospel of the kingdom while seeking to provide for one’s personal gain or building one’s own kingdom will not be long tolerated in this developing apostolic age in which the risen Christ has returned as a life-giving Spirit to cleanse the temple (His Body) and build His glorious church (ekklesia) to establish the kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven. Heaven’s New Jerusalem model is coming down and being formed on earth, and there shall nothing enter it that defiles.

Christ Jesus as a man in His natural body proclaimed the gospel of the kingdom and after Pentecost proclaimed it through His apostles as a life-giving Spirit. At that time there was immediate strong response to anyone who joined themselves to the kingdom movement and then subversively sought personal gain (ministry mammon).

Ananias and Sapphira became a recorded biblical example of the serious repercussions of this kind of offense while connected into the holy environment of the manifesting kingdom of heaven on earth (Acts 5:1-12).

A Warning from God

A warning from God today is not a threat; it is a loving plea to consider and change and to beware of a potential significant loss. Ananias and Sapphira were strong, capable people who had obviously been blessed of God to have things of substantial value. Yet in an instant of time, all their strength left them, and they could do nothing. They could not reply or get up or even move a muscle. They had nothing. Their life’s work, their goals, and ambitions for ministry and doing good things for others ended in a heap of dead flesh and bones. All of their dreams were gone, and their possessions were dispersed to others.

Think about this. The things they did were natural for the culture they had lived in. For them, a very short time ago before the coming of the Holy Spirit ushered in the apostolic season of the proclamation of the kingdom, their behavior would have been normal and even considered noble. They were doing a good thing and giving a lot of money to the cause at hand for meeting the needs of all the people in the community of believers.

Possibly, their reasoning for what they did was that they had seen others give much smaller amounts into the community treasury, and some of those giving may have had a number of dependent children who needed to be fed from the community coffer. It would make sense for them to put in a proportionate amount, plus possibly some more out of generosity, and at the same time hold back some for themselves. They could have even thought to give what they had held back, if it were ever badly needed to provide for the community later.

What was so wrong about what they did that is cost them everything?

One way to look at this is that their fatal mistake was connecting into the kingdom of God community. There were surely lots of people in the nation who had nothing to do with the kingdom movement who did much worse things. Yet, they did not suddenly lose all and drop to the floor dead.

If you are set and determined to be a merchandising minister, you will do well to stay far away from the pure gospel of the kingdom. You will last much longer in the old systems with the old ways. Do not connect with the apostolic kingdom of God reality unless you are willing to leave all ministry mammon desires behind.

A deeper look

However, if you are set and determined to move on with the pure, holy gospel of the kingdom, then let us take a deeper look for understanding into the picture painted for us in the case of Ananias and Sapphira.

First and foremost, they were not walking in the Spirit. They were walking in their natural minds trained in the synagogue with the ways of the past religious system that was only types and shadows of the coming kingdom. It is absolutely necessary to lose the old ways of past religious church systems. To mix them with the gospel of the kingdom will not turn out well.

God is doing a new thing. In recent years, we have seen many notable leaders involved in powerful moves of God that have suddenly lost all their strength, in some their entire ministry, and in some cases their lives. Like Ananias and Sapphira, the protection of God pulled back and Satan entered into the hearts of these once-powerful ministers because they were not fully walking in the Sprit and therefore became involved in ministry mammon. And these happenings were in the early expression of the fresh kingdom reality which is now becoming much more intense.

We cannot look to our natural minds for guidance and deny the leadership of the Spirit and still safely connect into the real kingdom of God. If we are not walking in the Spirit and thereby living a life that proclaims the reality of the fullness of the Holy Spirit, then we are not proclaiming the pure gospel of the kingdom. We must not try to add a portion of the kingdom word into our religion in order to maintain or increase our ministry’s share of the market and fund our operation.

Again, the word and ways of the kingdom will not mix with ministry mammon. Many things we have been taught and that worked to some degree in the past are not the gospel of the kingdom. Our past belief structure from previous religious teaching are often not kingdom and are subject to being changed by God in this kingdom transformation season to more perfectly align with His word.

Are we proclaiming the pure word of the kingdom?

We may not be IF:

  • We modify the pure word of the kingdom to keep religious people from being offended.
  • We speak of Jesus and not His kingdom to gather people and sell our books.
  • We make room for the rapture theory because so many still believe it.
  • We make room for the pastor/priest/bishop rule as clergy over a congregation of laity.
  • We proclaim the Melchizedek priesthood to re-establish an order of priestly hierarchal rule over the priesthood of the believer.
  • We teach the principle or law of the mandatory tithe is valid in the kingdom.
  • We avoid the apostolic ministry to preserve our present structure of church rule.
  • We see ourselves or anyone other than Christ as head of a church group. There is a distinction between Headship and leadership.
  • We avoid clear teaching on the ministry and gifts of the Holy Spirit and the need to be fully saturated (baptized) in the Spirit, because it offends many who have been falsely taught in the past church systems.
  • We are trapped in ministry mammon and refuse to obey the Lord in addressing open sin and spiritual lack among those we minister to because we may lose favor and reward from them.
  • We feel that we want to really preach and demonstrate the kingdom, but it would cost us too much.
  • We believe the kingdom should remain confined in the church and not also affect the culture areas such as government, education, business, media, and all facets of life.
  • We are not willing to become living sacrifices for the furtherance of the kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven.

Many reading this may be offended by at least some of these. It is our religious beliefs that are assaulted by the kingdom reality. Let these not become areas for you to defend and debate but rather points to really consider and seek the guidance of Christ Jesus by the Holy Spirit to bring clarity of understanding and fresh wisdom and direction in moving ahead in the journey of kingdom transformation.

Obviously this is an incomplete list and a book or at least a chapter could be written on each of these things. These are not meant to be a teaching here but a check list to point up transformation needs. Therefore, scriptures are not included with each.

For kingdom teaching dealing with these things and more I heartily recommend the “Kingdom Growth Guides” and other books and resources available for Free Download on the archive.openheaven.com website.

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and His kingdom never ends.

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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 3:35pm | IP Logged Quote Vince Sucec

Ron,

Thanks some long needed integrity in your piece ~

A sincere question please ~  do you believe that the Kingdom will be set up on earth - now? I mean a physical earthly Kingdom set up by the people who are hearing the kingdom message - thus establishing this Kingdom by a setting up on earth a new government?

 



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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 3:55pm | IP Logged Quote Mary Lindow

RON YOU SAID:

"Beware of the spin masters. Not everything that says kingdom of God on
it or in it is the pure word of the kingdom. Some of what is being
proffered today has been spun off into a good sounding perversion to
manipulate people."


Amen Ron. AMEN! Be wary of those who also claim "cutting edge" new
revelations and "new prototypes" who desire extreme loyalty to their
concepts and paradigms. It can get semi cult-like rapidly, and the lifting
up of an individual or "special group" starts the whole elite pecking order
scenario all over again and again.

Jesus simply gave one command for a lot of these issues.
"Love others, As I have Loved you."

No posturing,
No lording it over others
No elitism
No condescension.

Instead.....
Simple...
...Brilliant Humility.

May the Lord raise up a gracious and mature Bride who fears the name
and the power of the Lord, and honors those whom He sends across their
paths to assist in maturing them as well!!

GREAT WRITING RON!!

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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 5:33pm | IP Logged Quote Kriston Couchey

Wow,

Confirmations abound. I wrote an article two days ago called "Kingdom Clarifications". I have not posted or emailed it yet, but it truly along the lines of what you are writing. There is much garbage being promoted as kingdom. The enemy attempts to add to the truth what I write as injected leaven.

This leaven is taking the basic truth of the kingdom and twisting it with added elements that serve the flesh of men. We must beware that much of this is the bringing in of OLD Leaven into the new Work of God. These are man made teachings that are not revelation of the Spirit. What I see as the major problems are doctrines with money, church leadership/government, and the systems of worldly operation in the worlds intstitutions and the church that are not kingdom. These instituions or systems of operation are incorporated or embraced as legitimate means of kingdom advancement. Yet thier fruit is the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 5:37pm | IP Logged Quote Ron McGatlin

Vince the kingdom of God is a government and eventually will through Christ in His people doing the things that Jesus does. Eventually all the kingdoms of this world shall be the kingdoms of God. Rev 11:15

To get the full answer to your question please experience the Kingdom Growth Guides and the other teachings in the Download Books part of this site.

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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 5:40pm | IP Logged Quote Ron McGatlin

Hello Mary,

Yes, all about love and humility.

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Posted: 10/14/2009 at 6:03pm | IP Logged Quote Kathy Bippus

power-filled word of the Spirit! blessed be the Name of the Lord our God!

His Kingdom effects every sphere of life and `ministry mammon', the love of the god of this world, a thief that comes to kill, steal and destroy in every sphere of life. the thief is `caught' and cast down and out as the real gospel of the Kingdom is proclaimed. Glory to God! 

 if this doesn't hit home..i don't know what will.. whew! just saying..



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thanks will check it out ... come quickly Lord ...

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Posted: 10/15/2009 at 4:03am | IP Logged Quote Stacy McCarty

Ron,

I'm not offended by this post. BUT I am confused since some of the things
you mentioned go against things I've been taught and have heard my
whole life such as tithing and rapture theory. I'll look at the Kingdom
Growth Guides.

Also this sentence doesn't make sense to me:

" We make room for the pastor/priest/bishop rule as clergy over a
congregation of laity."

Pastor... rule? What rule? Or did you mean like how a king would rule
over subjects...? Rule as clergy? I'm not understanding. Help?

" We see ourselves or anyone other than Christ as head of a church
group."

Like a denomination? Or like say a prayer group or house church? A
pastor at a church I attend is head, or leads, of the prayer group. She
kind of
guides the prayer time in that she gives us communion and keeps people
from talking too much in order for everyone to be able to be heard and so
on. Is this not a right thing to do?


Thanks.

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Posted: 10/15/2009 at 9:25am | IP Logged Quote Kriston Couchey

I have just encountered a couple of "spins" in the last few weeks.

#1 The "fivefold" ministry is the priesthood now, and the tithe goes to them. (forget the priesthood of all belivers I guess)

#2 There is no need for apostles and prophets today, (this will be true when the kingdom is fully established, but it is not yet) God is establishing a new "order" of priests over the peope that will be in charge of all kingdom activity. (of course we need men to dispense the grace of God to us again with this.)

The same old leaven masked in kingdom teaching...

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Posted: 10/15/2009 at 10:42am | IP Logged Quote Beverly Miller

Thankyou Ron...

Having learned Wisdom from God after being influenced by what I thought was Kingdom , I no longer will be manipulated into giving nor will I suppose leaders to be as CEO's and God's people their servants  to build  their kingdoms, the turning point is the Spin Masters can no longer influence those who have found the truth by the Spirit and the Revelation of Jesus  in the true KINGDOM of Righteousness....Peace and Joy ...led by the Holy Spirit and not influenced by man but by TRUTH ...In HIM!

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Posted: 10/15/2009 at 5:13pm | IP Logged Quote Jeffrey Stewart

Kriston Couchey wrote:

I have just encountered a couple of "spins" in the last few weeks.

#1 The "fivefold" ministry is the priesthood now, and the tithe goes to them. (forget the priesthood of all belivers I guess)

#2 There is no need for apostles and prophets today, (this will be true when the kingdom is fully established, but it is not yet) God is establishing a new "order" of priests over the peope that will be in charge of all kingdom activity. (of course we need men to dispense the grace of God to us again with this.)

The same old leaven masked in kingdom teaching...

Kris



Was this in local or "national" ministries?  God isn't going to permit that kind of teaching to stand for too long.


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Jeffry,

The first was from a regional ministry, but I have heard is in other places as a general statement, even on this site.

The second is from a friend of sorts who teaches people by the web and in his home town.

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Beverly - Good word there! What it actually says is that they came and
laid the proceeds of their business dealings & selling of properties etc...at
the apostles feet - and THAT is what often is magnified and focused on -
while forgetting that this was "for distribution to the poor" The main idea
really not being the apostles but rather that they all were taking care of
the poor.

Not only this but everything truly kingdom is done in the context of
relationship specifically LOVE - not a business arrangement nor forcibly
or by manipulation. When Jesus taught about this using the religious elite
as example he really brought that out - these things you SHOULD be
doing however not leaving out the heart issues - that's kingdom - it is
relatedness and not merely rote, ritual or outward acts of "good-ness"
there are many good people who give a great deal and even sacrifice but
it's not real relating. That is bondage & slavery. And it is fruitless. A tiny
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Hi DD,

I was referring to things that happened to me in the past starting in 1987 ...I gave thousands ...my tithe and offerings...... as my ex husband and I were quite wealthy prior to our divorce ...as I sold off properties and my big house and downsized in order to be close to my church... I purchased  a condo  , had a management position in retail ...attended church and did ministry ....well I lost everything ....and was so upset, because I was taught to do all those things and the teaching was if you dd those things you will be blessed....not so ...if God has a different plan...also had to go live with my abusive Mother (who did eventually in the end receive the Lord)  however the people that knew I had money and was a giver drained me dry and along with not wanting to say no ...I was used ..I then became  homeless and my pastors at the time did not lift a finger to help me ...so thats why ...I say I will not be manipulated into giving ...now I walk by faith and live on 694 dollars a month ( I still tithe when given a gift and can)and can't go to church as I had to sell my car to pay the rent, I seek HIM daily and have ministry online  ...I still give baked goods , prayers and love and minisry to those the Lord puts on my heart ...I had to learn the hard way....It was the Lord who kept me and was faithful during those times otherwise I wouldn't be alive to talk about it ...So there in lies the message for me .....Trust in God and the Lord Jesus Christ .....be wary of those who fleece God's Sheep!

 Yes DD ...If I give all I have and give my body to be burned but have not love ...I have nothing ...LOVE and relationship with those who worship God in Spirit and Truth is Awesome !

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Oh, OK thanks Beverly! Anyhow it is a good word! And good wisdom being
shared here....

It's where it emanates FROM and in God's kingdom it all needs to emanate
straight from HIS throne - all the gifts....then they are truly fruitful and
serve...

not that good people with good hearts who pour out to the best of their
understanding cannot have some good happening as a result..but there is a
certain vanity and lack of fruition in it....it's just "best effort"
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Man has always looked for the "how" in things; unfortunately, Scripture in many cases, has been relegated to a "how to" book. If we do things like "this", then God will do.....The Kingdom of God has never been about "how"; it has always been about "who" - WHO. Many have learned - are learning to walk in the beauty of the Kingdom - hand in hand with their King. All of the "how" of the Kingdom is the result/evidence of the relationship with Jesus, our WHO. The spin stops with Him!

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From email:

Dear Ron,

I just finished reading your article, "The Spinmasters" and I personally, could not agree more with your comments.  I believe the article highlights the thoughts and desires of our beloved Lord.  The time for compromise for the sake of being "religiously correct" is "coming to a quick halt".  It is my personal belief that for too long, many of us who have heard the trumpeting of the message of the kingdom of God have, for the sake of compromise and "being accepted", held back that which has been placed within and burned into our spirit by the Spirit of the living God.  In times of ministry in the past, I have and I am sure you also have heard the advice of our peers to "go with the flow".  Just recently, I read the following words that impacted my spirit and I feel describes well what should be our attitude when it comes to the "going with the flow" mentality that I am afraid we have allowed to permeate the Word of the Lord that He has placed within us and those words are........"any dead fish will go with the flow"!   I am totally convinced that NOW is the time to find out what God desires and then "go with His flow", putting the fear of man under our feet and speak forth that Word that He desires to be spoken.
 
Again, I commend you for uncompromisingly speaking from the heart of our Father.  I "join" with you in spirit and prayer that those who have heard the message that God is sounding forth today, will begin to manifest...."His kingdom (not ours!) coming and His will becoming".  As one dear brother said many years ago....."the highest order is not doing the will of God, but becoming the will of God".  May our loving Father ignite within us His love and passion that He has for His creation.
 
Thanks again for this word.  You are a blessing, my dear brother!
 
Much love in Christ,
 
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Posted: 10/20/2009 at 6:53am | IP Logged Quote Ron McGatlin

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Ron,

I'm not offended by this post. BUT I am confused since some of the things
you mentioned go against things I've been taught and have heard my
whole life such as tithing and rapture theory. I'll look at the Kingdom
Growth Guides.

Also this sentence doesn't make sense to me:

" We make room for the pastor/priest/bishop rule as clergy over a
congregation of laity."

Pastor... rule? What rule? Or did you mean like how a king would rule
over subjects...? Rule as clergy? I'm not understanding. Help?

" We see ourselves or anyone other than Christ as head of a church
group."

Like a denomination? Or like say a prayer group or house church? A
pastor at a church I attend is head, or leads, of the prayer group. She
kind of
guides the prayer time in that she gives us communion and keeps people
from talking too much in order for everyone to be able to be heard and so
on. Is this not a right thing to do?


Thanks.

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Stacy


Hello Stacy,

The word of the kingdom seems strange to our natural minds when compared to the past beliefs we have held. I know the transition from our past to the kingdom is not an easy journey. It requires the transformation of our inner hearts and the renewing of our minds. But, it is well worth the sacrifice of the past to make room for the now and the future. 

As the Lord is again by the Holy Spirit restoring the revelation of the gospel of the kingdom that He preached when on earth in His natural body, it dramatically alters much of the basic teachings of the past church systems that were changed from the pure teachings of Christ Jesus and His disciples of the first century. The gospel of the kingdom includes the gospel of being born again or “salvation” but does not end there. That is only the beginning to the gospel of the kingdom that the Bible truly teaches.
 
The hierarchy of leadership developed in church systems was not and is not the way of
God. In the restoration of the gospel of the kingdom there is not two classes of believers. The clergy and laity is not the way of the kingdom of God. There is one class of believers. We are all brothers and sisters. The big distinction is gifting and maturity. We are to all mature into priests and kings. There is much to this to be clearly understood. The
Kingdom Growth Guides can be used of the Holy Spirit to help understand the gospel of the kingdom. It is not difficult and is very basic. However, our previous teachings serve to block our understanding of the simple basic truth of the gospel of the kingdom. 


On the question of the rapture theory: The gospel of the kingdom just simply washes that away as we continue to seek the kingdom. I do not address it as such but rather teach the truth of the kingdom. In the Kingdom Growth Guide ENTERING THE KINGDOM (#008) speaks of the real return of Christ to live in His people and bring forth the kingdom. With the victory of Jesus within doing the works that He did in His earthly body there is no need for an escape. He is able to take care of His own. There are other portions in the growth guides that deal with the bodily return as well. You can download and copy them to your computer for study.
 
Here are a few of the many web links regarding the rapture theory on the internet.

http://www.dimensionsoftruth.org/Bill_Britton/index.html
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Posted: 10/20/2009 at 2:00pm | IP Logged Quote Stacy McCarty

Ron,

Thank you for getting back to me. Will read the article and pray about it. I
feel like someone took my brain and wrapped it around a pole and let it
snap back. lol! ; )

Blessings,

Stacy
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Posted: 10/20/2009 at 5:42pm | IP Logged Quote Dave Spencer


Just got through reading "The Rapture of the Church-What is it?".  What a breath of fresh air!  Someone who actually applies the logos of God completely logically!

Reminds me of when I mention Rev. 14:1 "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads." (NIV).  Most people simply can not accept this for what is being said: that Jesus is standing on the physical Mt. Zion at that point in time.  It just doesn't fit with their end-times concepts.

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Posted: 10/21/2009 at 3:08pm | IP Logged Quote Ron McGatlin

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Hi Ron !
I have just read your article and I am in full agreement with what you teach. Last week while spending time in the Word, Holy Spirit suddenly opened up a very simple truth which I knew but have not formulated in words yet, and it is this: Jesus came as the King of His kingdom and He brought His Kingdom with Him - He taught it and demonstrated it's superior authority over the works of the enemy. The after a time man started to remove the King from His Kingdom - they worshipped the King but put the Kingdom in the distant future and the church age was born with all it's humanistic demonically inspired philosophies, rules and regulations. Law was introduced to control the people and their giving [ finances, service, time] and their living. But God is busy bringing back the reality of His Kingdom on the earth, free from man made laws and order. Our giving becomes a love expression, honoring God with firstfruits of our lives in all aspects. Our worship moves away from singing only written songs to truly Spirit led worship where fresh new songs and melody lines are birthed spontanously as we worship Him with uplifted hearts. The reality of His spiritual kingdom begins to break out as we begin to see and hear in the Spirit and minister from that place of intimacy to the needs of those we meet. We are a kingdom of priests who first minister to God  and then to one another from that place of intimacy - in the process it may require that we rule as kings as we confront the works of evil in a person or situation.
Since we started pursuing the King and His Kingdom with total abandon we have been losing a lot of people who wants the safe place of organised predictable services and religion, but we cannot negate what we believe. I even changed our fellowship's name from Family Church to Father's Place in order to try and break the 'going to church' expectation in people and replace it with a mind set of we come together as Father's family to enjoy Him and our bridegroom King in the dimension of His Spirit.
Thanx for stoking the fires brother !
In Father's amazing love
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Posted: 05/22/2011 at 6:17am | IP Logged Quote Alexa T Heyns

Matthew 7:3-5 - a bit harsher than I would put it but then I didn't say it.

We need to examine our own hearts for those things we have put a spin on or refuse to gain fresh understanding on because it doesn't sit well with our established thinking. Or ways in which we are guilty of not looking with God's eye's at a situation etc.
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Posted: 05/22/2011 at 8:28am | IP Logged Quote Melissa Knight

This is a very interesting discussion . .. and I hope to look at some of these links when I have more time.

In this political world of ours it is not easy to figure out always what the spin is.

I especially like what Mary said - about the practical advice about the best way to present information:

No posturing,
No lording it over others
No elitism
No condescension.

Instead.....
Simple...
...Brilliant Humility.

Best Regards,
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timely re-up, that is for sure....

two weekends ago I was so overwhelmed by school and life and dealing with past issues etc.. that I had to 'escape' and take a drive ... God always talks to me when I drive... and boy did he...

He led me to confess my sin of loving mammon... and renouncing all ties to the system of mammon in this world.... and trust me, I am hardly one who spends and lavishes and gathers material stuff.. but if there is any 'yeast' within me that can 'leaven the whole lump' then I wanted it gone ... and God is faithful...

living by faith means trusting God completely... we are not under law or rules and God needs to speak and direct us each individually as to how to give, when to give and to whom to give ... we don't give under compulsion but as cheerful givers with all glory going to the Father ...

This re-up was so perfectly timed and so necessary to 'he who has ears to hear, must hear!" 

Seek the Lord to reveal what is in your heart and obey whatever HE directs you to confess and renounce so that in the days coming you can walk purely before the Lord in all humility trusting HIM to provide all that you need abundantly above all you can ask or think!!

The Kingdom is within you and the Kingdom is at hand... the Kingdom will flow forth out of each one of us as we humble ourselves under His mighty Hand...

blessings to all!

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Thank you. Reading this was like drinking cool water when one has
been parched for so long. For 20 years have been grieving for our
churches but have been called critical and not a team player that i was
convinced perhaps I was in error. Thank you. Using God's name for
building ones reputation, power base or garnering wealth is really
spiritual prostitution?
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Many of you have been following a counterfeit

Beware of false signs and wonders

Beware of the voice that utters false words

The one that blocks the truth from being heard

The one that produces a counterfeit anointing that "feels" like the Holy Spirit

DO NOT be guided by your feelings or your emotions

Be pressed into my heart ...be pressed into me

I will give you my wisdom I will open your eyes and then you will see the truth

You will see the counterfeit you will see the snare

In this hour your discernment will be sharpened

I CALL YOU AGAIN TO ENTER IN TO ME

THE HOUR IS LATE

COME NOW TO ME MY CHILDREN MY PRECIOUS ONES!!!

Many will say "come here" we are having revival

My Spirit will pour out my fire where ever I choose

Revival does not happen through mans fleshly desires

in the hope that they will draw the crowds...

So that many will think that they are my chosen ones!!!

BE CAREFUL!!!!

MY CHILDREN BE WHERE MY LOVE IS

BE WHERE MY TRUE FIRE IS BURNING ..

COME TO ME I WILL GUIDE YOUR PATH!!!

 

 



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My hand is exposing exposing it all

Nothing will escape my sword will fall

Some will think “OH no one will see”

Oh yes they will when it’s exposed by me

Nothing will remain hidden for I open eyes

Nothing will deceive or remain in disguise

For my sword is falling across your lands

Things brought down by my own hands

I’ll expose false shepherds and all their greed

Never again will THEIR voice you heed

I’ll expose false prophets for all to see

And you’ll know the one speaking has not been me

I’ll expose those who use me to profit ..their gain

Know that they will not be the same

I’ll expose all the things they SAY is of me

Many will cry how can that be

I’ll expose all the ones with blood on their hands

Then you will know and understand

I’ll expose all the vile sin inside

No longer will they lead astray my bride

My hand is exposing exposing it all

Nothing will escape my sword will fall!!!!



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It was great to review this one again.  Thanks Lyn!

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What an awesome word to read. Thank you so much. And Lyn
just a couple years ago what you wrote would have been
considered a hard word. But it is truth and it so and the
time of its fulfillment is upon us.

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Posted: 08/26/2013 at 6:39pm | IP Logged Quote Ron McGatlin

A warning from God today is not a threat; it is a loving plea to consider and change and to beware of a potential significant loss. Ananias and Sapphira were strong, capable people who had obviously been blessed of God to have things of substantial value. Yet in an instant of time, all their strength left them, and they could do nothing. They could not reply or get up or even move a muscle. They had nothing. Their life’s work, their goals, and ambitions for ministry and doing good things for others ended in a heap of dead flesh and bones. All of their dreams were gone, and their possessions were dispersed to others.

Think about this. The things they did were natural for the culture they had lived in. For them, a very short time ago before the coming of the Holy Spirit ushered in the apostolic season of the proclamation of the kingdom, their behavior would have been normal and even considered noble. They were doing a good thing and giving a lot of money to the cause at hand for meeting the needs of all the people in the community of believers.

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Posted: 08/26/2013 at 6:49pm | IP Logged Quote Lyn McSweeney

Yes Ron!!! Love and blessings!

 



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Posted: 08/26/2013 at 6:58pm | IP Logged Quote Quo Wright

Amen Ron!!!  That's what HG has been saying.  He's not giving these warnings to invoke fear but for us to examine ourselves and change.  If He didn't love us He would not show us what's at stake.  But he's laying it all out on the table and giving us the whole truth.  He did say He would do nothing without first letting His prophets know. 

Thank you!



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