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Rainbow Divine:
Hubble Telescope - looks like glittering diamonds
Who is the morning Star and the Bright Morning star?
http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp228.htm
This
diamond is a cluster of stars and I wonder if its about this quote:
Rev. 2:28 “and I will give him the morning star.” In Revelation the Son
of
God promises to give the MORNING STAR to him that overcometh. . . this
has
nothing to do with the fallen angels known or Satan. Since one is
overcoming the
world and its temptations that come from Satan to receive the morning
star.
Morning star- proinos Aster. this is where going into the Greek will help
clarify it.
“Rev 2:28 The morning star ton (NT:3543) astera (NT:785) ton (NT:3543) proonion
(NT:4355). “The star the morning one.” In Rev 22:16 Christ is the bright morning
star. The victor will have Christ himself” (from Robertson's Word Pictures in
the New Testament)
Edited by JaneGreenstein on 01/23/2016 at 7:53am
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Thank you Jane. I always enjoy the articles and insights you share. I
always call myself a Skywatcher and I'm fascinated by the heavens,
stars, rainbows, etc.. I do just want to point out that the picture of
the diamond used in this article about the Hubble telescope is not a
picture of what was captured. the picture of the diamond used on
this link is a stock Getty image Diamond02. however the Hubble
telescope did capture a star constellation that looked like sparkling
diamonds, Trumpler 14 as the article explains . I at first thought the
picture was a magnified image of one of the larger stars and was
disappointed to discover it's just a stock photo image, not a image
related to Trumpler14,... for anyone curious. There are pictures
online available to see the real photos
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I'm all for seeing the wonder of God in the universe, however I really doubt that the writers of the Bible used an analogy that could only be seen using
technology they couldn't even dream of. The morning star must be visible to people on earth, and astonishingly it is - the planet Venus is referred to as
the 'morning star' because it is the only thing visible in the sky just before dawn.
And in the same way Jesus is the morning star - the single only bright guiding light in our sky (metaphorically speaking).
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Rose Cooper wrote:
I'm all for seeing the wonder of God in the universe, however I
really doubt that the writers of the Bible used an analogy that could only be seen using
technology they couldn't even dream of. The morning star must be visible to people on
earth, and astonishingly it is - the planet Venus is referred to as
the 'morning star' because it is the only thing visible in the sky just before dawn.
And in the same way Jesus is the morning star - the single only bright guiding light in our
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The Holy Spirit can inspire the "great unsearchable things you do not know" Jer 33:3 .
There are scriptures that describe the earth as round and suspended in space ,described
in Is. 40:22 and Job 26:7, among other things. The writers of those scriptures I'm pretty
sure did not know by their own man driven science of the day that these things were
true. But still those scripture were written. God breathed and Holy Spirit inspired.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my
thoughts your thoughts." 55:9 and He reveals them in His perfect timing when He wants.
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Stacy McCarty wrote:
Rose Cooper wrote:
I'm all for seeing the wonder of God in the universe, however I
really doubt that the writers of the Bible used an analogy that could only be seen using
technology they couldn't even dream of. The morning star must be visible to people on
earth, and astonishingly it is - the planet Venus is referred to as
the 'morning star' because it is the only thing visible in the sky just before dawn.
And in the same way Jesus is the morning star - the single only bright guiding light in our sky (metaphorically speaking). |
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The Holy Spirit can inspire the "great unsearchable things you do not know" Jer 33:3 .
There are scriptures that describe the earth as round and suspended in space ,described
in Is. 40:22 and Job 26:7, among other things. The writers of those scriptures I'm pretty
sure did not know by their own man driven science of the day that these things were
true. But still those scripture were written. God breathed and Holy Spirit inspired.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my
thoughts your thoughts." 55:9 and He reveals them in His perfect timing when He wants. |
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With all due respect but the roundness of the earth is evident from looking at the horizon, or a solar eclipse or by recording the path of the sun
and has been known for thousands of years.
Ancient cultures such as the Mesopotamians and the Ancient Egyptians represented the earth as round in their mythology.
Herodotus records a Phoenician circumnavigation of Africa in 600 BC as 'discovering' the earth was round.
Pythagorus also in 600BC stated that the earth was round.
And Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth with only a 2% margin of error in 240 BC.
So ... I'm very sorry but it is not such a revelation that Isaiah (700BC) might have known the earth was round.
And a metaphor that refers to something no-one has any knowledge of isn't much of a metaphor. Some of the names of Jesus are not literal - He
isn't literally the 'morning star' and He isn't literally the 'lion of Judah'. These are metaphors to describe His nature, and therefore have to be things
that the readers of the Bible would be able to understand without the use of technology that wasn't going to be invented for another 2000 years. The readers
have to go ... oh yeah those are pretty fierce lions, I get it; or wow yeah the morning star is the only bright thing in the sky, that's significant!
Are the star clusters awesome - yes. Do they make me go - wow God is amazing - yes. Do I think they are some revelation from Revelation - NO!
PS as an interesting aside the notion that ancients believed the earth was flat is a recent one. It was primarily started and supported by an
American, Washington Irvine, who held that Columbus had to overcome opposition from (ignorant and backward) Church men who believed the earth was
flat while the (scientific and enlightened) Columbus believed it to be round. The idea took root and has been basis of many theses concerning the
conflict between church and science.
Edited by Rose Cooper on 01/24/2016 at 6:25am
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Link to the actual Hubble photo:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1601a/
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Whatever it is, I'm using these images to create a painting!!
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Rose Cooper wrote:
Stacy McCarty wrote:
Rose Cooper wrote:
I'm
all for seeing the wonder of God in the universe, however I
really doubt that the writers of the Bible used an analogy that could only be
seen using
technology they couldn't even dream of. The morning star must be visible to
people on
earth, and astonishingly it is - the planet Venus is referred to as
the 'morning star' because it is the only thing visible in the sky just before
dawn.
And in the same way Jesus is the morning star - the single only bright guiding
light in our sky (metaphorically speaking). |
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The Holy Spirit can inspire the "great unsearchable things you do not know"
Jer 33:3 .
There are scriptures that describe the earth as round and suspended in space
,described
in Is. 40:22 and Job 26:7, among other things. The writers of those scriptures
I'm pretty
sure did not know by their own man driven science of the day that these
things were
true. But still those scripture were written. God breathed and Holy Spirit
inspired.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your
ways and my
thoughts your thoughts." 55:9 and He reveals them in His perfect timing when
He wants. |
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With all due respect but the roundness of the earth is evident from looking at
the horizon, or a solar eclipse or by recording the path of the sun
and has been known for thousands of years.
Ancient cultures such as the Mesopotamians and the Ancient Egyptians
represented the earth as round in their mythology.
Herodotus records a Phoenician circumnavigation of Africa in 600 BC as
'discovering' the earth was round.
Pythagorus also in 600BC stated that the earth was round.
And Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth with only a 2%
margin of error in 240 BC.
So ... I'm very sorry but it is not such a revelation that Isaiah (700BC) might
have known the earth was round.
And a metaphor that refers to something no-one has any knowledge of isn't
much of a metaphor. Some of the names of Jesus are not literal - He
isn't literally the 'morning star' and He isn't literally the 'lion of Judah'. These
are metaphors to describe His nature, and therefore have to be things
that the readers of the Bible would be able to understand without the use of
technology that wasn't going to be invented for another 2000 years. The
readers
have to go ... oh yeah those are pretty fierce lions, I get it; or wow yeah the
morning star is the only bright thing in the sky, that's significant!
Are the star clusters awesome - yes. Do they make me go - wow God is
amazing - yes. Do I think they are some revelation from Revelation - NO!
PS as an interesting aside the notion that ancients believed the earth was flat
is a recent one. It was primarily started and supported by an
American, Washington Irvine, who held that Columbus had to overcome
opposition from (ignorant and backward) Church men who believed the earth
was
flat while the (scientific and enlightened) Columbus believed it to be round.
The idea took root and has been basis of many theses concerning the
conflict between church and science.
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Thanks for the informative reply. I learned some things from it and will have to
do some reading about what you shared!
Still I do not agree that the metaphors have to be things the readers of the
Bible understand. If scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit then the writers may
have not understood and the meaning might be revealed at another point in
time way down the line. Paul described things in Revelation that he didn't
understand that people now, because of our modern technology, think were
airplanes. This doesn't mean that the scripture wasn't true it just means that it
will be understood later down the historical line. The Holy Spirit speaks and
reveals what and when He wants and it's not always understood at the time of
writing.
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I think Revelation is The Revelation of John :D
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Rose Cooper wrote:
I think Revelation is The Revelation of John
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Thanks Rose.
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