Posted: 06/30/2009 at 8:54pm | IP Logged

 This was mentioned 2 wks ago ..  citing a Sid Roth program he was on .. I caught the t.v. program and was VERY turned off by this 'servant' who has a need for ?  cash I suppose...  selling his WORD from God.  I would imagine our Father  is not to pleased with those shenanigans.

Posted: 07/01/2009 at 1:34pm | IP Logged

I have been to Brownsville many of times back when you could not even get a seat. We had friends at Dr. Browns school there so we always got front row seats. I remember all the hoopla and charasmatic craze that did sweep the nation shortly after Toronto and Brownsville. But I am still looking for what good it ever produced.

Brownsville was plagued with major problems in the midst of revival and then rapidly fell apart......this does not seem like genuine revival to me. There was great strife within leadership and they soon went their seperate ways.

Has anyone truly examined what we call "revival" ? What has been the result of the "revivals in the last 15 years, or even the revival with Todd Bentley last year? It has been an utter mess. A lot of "leaders" have been birthed from these "revivals" and yet none had the discernment to see the pending problems of the "Florida Outpouring" with Todd Bentley.

Given their tracks records, why should anyone give one gram of consideration for anything these leaders say?  I am only asking.

The religious world has been duped and seduced by spirits of seduction, I know that I have in the past, and proceed with much caution these days. God is not in this mess we call "revival".....it is in His will, but  the spirit controlling the atmosphere is not HIM.

 There really is such great simplicity in knowing Him. Yet all the books, teachings, words of knowledge, prophecy, and other vain repetitions of man make it nearly impossible to ever come to the peace of simply knowing Him.

Posted: 07/02/2009 at 1:54am | IP Logged

Hi Ricky,

Can you tell from the CD whether God gave all of those words or just the one word RESURRECTION?

At surface value it smacks of those contrived lists of words, whose first letters make a word for you to remember the message, reeled out time and time again in sermons. (but then maybe I've spent too much time behind the scenes witnessing speakers desperately trying to come up with the last word, something beginning with "N", to complete their snazzy presentation.)  I'll have to swallow my words if I'm wrong, but feeling quite cynical about this.  I don't know, it just doesn't feel fresh.

Posted: 07/02/2009 at 9:44am | IP Logged

James,

While I feel that some people were truly "revived" in the midst of all the "revivals" that have occured since about 1994...I think that is because the individuals heart was truly seeking God and they did not go to these meetings looking to men with "titles", etc. but out of desparation to find more of God. 

Too many "church" people are still caught up in big names, people with large followings or those who know how to generate "excitement". 

I think we are and have been seeing true revival but it is not in all of these huge meetings, it is in individuals scattered here and there whose hearts have gone all out after God and want nothing but Him and have taken an unshakeable stand without compromise even if it means being blasted for it.

These individuals are beginning to see people healed and set free in unknown street corners, jails, supermarkets, their neighborhoods and true revival will follow them wherever they go.  These are not out after a name or glory or wealth...they want one thing and one thing only...to please God.

I saw a picture...I was standing on a street corner and before me was a long line of people who were standing outside waiting to purchase tickets to an event.  I quietly (making sure nobody could see) began walking along and touching various individuals.  They fell every which way under the power of God, were healed, and met God for themselves.  None saw who touched them...I enjoyed this immensely. 

I do not intend for this to negate witnessing...but I think God will do things like this.

I agree with you that the religious world has been seduced...they do not yet understand the immensity of the seduction that has invaded the religious system...yet most of them would deny that they are part of a "system"...it will take something incredible by the Hand of God to convince them of it.

Hang in there James.

Sherry Mason

Posted: 07/02/2009 at 1:12pm | IP Logged

Thank you Sherry and Denise, your kind responses are much welcomed!

I want to say that there has been good that came out of this for me. It has opened my eyes to the power and influence of seduction even in my own life.

For the many many people I know that have come under these "revivals" I have watched their lives deteriorate....good people who have such a genuine affection for our Father.

I have and continue to see the division and strife for those who pursued these sort of meetings. I have watched churches fall apart and marriages fail for those who have been saturated in these sort of meetings.

There is no doubt about the sincerity of those who are leaders in these movements. I have met a many of wonderful, caring, helpful and giving people. But then again Oprah, Bill Gates and Dr. Phill are also noted as being such people.

You spoke of unity, and I fully agree that we need to be in one accord. There is an absolute doctrine that has evaded us that binds hearts to His and amongst each other. But with everyone preaching this, writing that, interpreting this, revealing that...ect......we have a cesspool of man's understanding.....this gets confusing. There is but one God and we have hundreds of denominations......even most of non denominational churches are a denomination amongst themselves similiar to the charismatic circles.

I believe that we are in the drought of the living words of God as spoke of in His Word. I believe all is in His timing and that there is not much we can do to expedite His plan. Say we all spent ourselves to reach the "four corners" of the world with the Gospel....... does that mean that we have caused God to execute His end time plan or did we just happen to fit in with His timing?

As the nations are in a slump, the church is in a slump. Our enviroment is a series of all wrong answers. My faith is that God prevails, no matter what. How exactly I do not know, when, I do not know.

Posted: 07/02/2009 at 10:02pm | IP Logged

Very nicely said Denise and much , or rather most actually made me think and ponder deeply. Great wisdom and undersdtanding from Your experiences! (...and i say this in the deepest respect for what you offer that has always been of importance to me)

However, I knew that it would be said of the very FEW some that would come forth from these movemnets to do this, that or the other. Planting this church or that church, reaching this people or that people........

......reaching them for what?    to perpetuate the same 'ole stuff that doesn't work?

please understand that i want serious dialogue.....let no one take offense for my serious inquiery.