Posted: 03/05/2009 at 7:25am
Dear Brother James….
A Blessing you are here…. and enabling me (as a brother) to extend my judgment, in that it is a righteous judgment because of” identifying” your ability to stand up and share the deep convection that ...“I don’t know!
Wisdom is wisdom does!
That word Know ... can be used in men stating that the are know- ledge- able "in" The Word of God.... and yet be blind on how it is to relate in a righteous manner to themselves , others, and God Himself.
WE can know in mind and yet because we are taught "in" the flesh , doctrinal ideals... can leave us in search of more and more knowledge as opposed to seeking the Kingdom . That "seeking" being manifested in submitting to a “Wholesome” Word of God. , witnessed within ones own understanding... feeling those convictions of the Holy Spirit as to what is Sin... Righteousness and Judgment in our life styles...
Here , in the following scripture.. we see the wisdom of a true apostle ( that which you have not found) because you , like myself thought the smart preachers were indeed true men of God) ( and I was called one). But... Paul tells us that just because a man is young and or old in Knowledge , what one submits to is His character .
1 Tim. 6:1-3 (KJV)
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit.
These things teach and exhort.
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
Godliness is manifested in character (those attributes of character manifested in a man or woman’s life called Fruit ….
Here the wisdom… Let any man “not” despise another man who is relating to a believer and or un-believer, but honor their faithfulness because after approaching you... not only with their understanding (what ever it might be), but because they are able to honor who you are, in character. = according to Godliness…
Now... as unto a believer, yes they are to honor the leader so to speak, but when it comes to teaching > Well ...they are to honor a teacher (presenting the Gospel of the Kingdom) in such a manner that they reflect the wholesome-ness of the words they are using, to that give an understanding of how it is we relate in the Kingdom in the Character of the King.
I I speak of a manner in which the knowledge bing taught is reflected in wisdom of the teacher....
From a prophetic perspective… you like myself and others got the first half of men’s traditional church based teaching about Christ and had (and have today) no ideal how to live what they were teaching us to do in loving as God loves...(thinking just to stand up in the pulpit as the man) was Godlyness.
And now.. in this religious fire ( zeal) have learned there is a second half of something we need. Knowledge yes, but also wisdom to act on our approach to ourselves, others and Our Lord Himself…
These folks and their leaders despise other teacher leaders, denomination, ministers Not because the are not teaching the Word of God, but because they are unable (in character, having not character) = (fruition) "to be" in their being ........Partakers of the Benefits
The reason being as a manifestation of their life style is: They think the Know, all about the "pills" needed....
Brother Ron is right in that we can say: There are no pills we can take to solve this problem. On the other hand... we could say there are those brethren who you can take to heart = both walking with and listening to (as a prophetic pill) who have suffered the same ills you have or now are experiencing the concepts of how in out meetings we just migh be leaving Christ out!
These true elders are often a judged as pills (an inspired or ill-natured person) because in sharing the truth... what they have to say via their understanding ...can seem very bitter going down. But if taken, with ones "fruit enguaged" their instructions to rest, in due season, = what is “pilled up” can bring Godly Correction to their spirit and if to the spirit, then to the mind . their ways begins to heal... in that the do waht they do in rest as oposed to strife and jealousy.... the results of a Pretenious Acts of waht seems right before their leaders.
But… as I have experience in administering “taking whole what is shared” = (seeing it as a pill), can look way too big, let alone the color if it looking bad…
So.. let usa take a good look at the meaning of the Word “Wholesome” and you will find that it define a condition of a men or women who are at rest in character , having taken that which the prescribe…. This pill (wisdom) allowing then in their trust in Christ, administers the same (wisdom) in the same manner or character … allowing Christ … via the Holy Spirit to bring a correction to what is destroying the body, via the mind, having no rest in the spirit.
Wholesome or hugiaino, Greek 5198, Strong’s
hugiaino, from Greek 5199 (hugies); to have sound health, i.e. be well (in body); figurative to be uncorrupt (true in doctrine) :- be in health, (be safe and) sound, (be) whole (-some).
How do we know a man or women is safe and able to rest in Christ = a true teacher of something that is sound? Able to be “Partakers of the Benefits… Well., these folks may not always “fit “ what appears to be a Teacher of the Word , because they have no need to of the Pill, only give in the pride of doing their thing in the pulpit to dispense it
It is a matter of importance to understand that some folks giving the pill has never use it themselves self let alone suffered what you are experiencing … so it may be important that you seek our and elder who has suffered ,more so that one who has taken the medicine..
Again….First let me say I am very bless to with you statement here “Brother”
How is it can I say Brother, Well. It is an honor for me to share with you in that it is a matter of you spirit to say I do not Know To say this here “openly” is a matter of principle … in that it is one of repentance . And, in this act of sharing your spirit has manifested the fruit of His… Christ Spirit as it resolves itself in the Holy Spirit.
I find this in what you have shared here and please allow me to underline and add so as to point out our (as it is before all of us) your heart on a few things stated…
I have sought, and contended with the Lord in many of the questions you have shared. I have agonized, fasted and prayed. = (Mental) ....beat the floor with my fist on hands and knees, pleading with the Lord for direction. (Physical)
Myself ….fully and to the best of my ability to Him...and yet I have been discontent in many areas.
I am a mere 40 years old, but the greatest majority of my life has been in pursuit of Him through some of the most grueling things a person should endure....but hey, we all got our stories.
At times I just feel like there is nothing we can do to expedite the work that God has planned, other than to just endure and remain of good cheer…
Till He releases and ….it to come to fruition......
I don’t know
In short this is why I can call you a brother, because if you did “know” then what you would have to given would matter of Law and not Grace and one of those “pills can make you very sick”
Can man do this, as a matter of Fruition?
Matthew 7:15-23 (KJV)
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Talk about a pill!
In Principle this is the reason of what, when, and how it is you have come to the end of yourself.
You have as we all have to please other, trying to understand, so as to participate in their Iniquity/Inequity have failed. And it was God who did this, that is allowed you to fail because in doing so what you knew; you do not know how to do. = I don’t know!
It is here that one begins to bear up and drop /give it up that doing thing to honor Christ is fine, but not at the expense of Being found in His Name , manifesting the Fruits of His Character in approaching life.
This we can all do. And it manifested in our submitting to Christ as oppose to some preacher.
I speak of sharing life with other in resolving you own approach to use self-control, and in doing so…. honor all involved, including Our Father in Heaven...
This is coming to fruition! In that now you are free to from prayer, in that you have become prayer and in doing so do not have to go to church, because you are the church, and able to approach all you do in Christ Name, manifesting the Fruits of the Holy Spirit to rest, in understanding that What you are experiencing each day, is enabling you to become conscious of Gods will being fulfilled here on earth as it is in heaven. Then meeting with other brothers becomes “Gathering with others, manifesting the Rest of God!
Watch the wisdom as Brother Ron has pointed out….
Luke 12:49-51 (KJV)
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Suppose you that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! Do you suppose that I came to give peace (to join together, prosperity, rest quietness) on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.”
Looking at both translations, we can see a few things...
Our Lord asks : “What will I be “ meaning that it is His will to be Who He is in Character …in His Fathers Will in the process of “doing what “ Being the Son of God in that He reflects His Father Name. It being Hollowed >>>> Hollowed Be They Name
He, Our Lord has this before Him and all that doing would have been in vain, if it He we not given to do it in the character of His Father... Now Our Father and men wonder whey He does not act on their behalf?
So it with us!
It is in this…. He approach was His hope, in the fruit of the Holy Spirit (manifesting the fruition of His Fathers Name.
And in this “baptism of fire “ Be the Son, trusting His Father to honor what he would do.
And we likewise are distressed, despised, districted, distrusted, and distracted in experiencing this, in that we also must do what we do in those Fruits of the Spirit...
This approach of one being found in the fruits is, in approaching the Will of God , tears away … cause a division within ourselves , other and God Himself… if we think it is pleasing to do what we do , thinking we can pray, fast , minister , meet , and form churches , without approaching other in His fruit , a fruition which is hallowed , because…. that the Way it is done in heaven.
So Brother having come through this narrow gate, it’s time enter the Kingdom and it is in this way… It’s is who we know …not “what” we Know the souls of man are secured.
The “ideal” Peace can be found via any intellectual pursuit regardless of one approach but as it is a matter of the fruit of the Spirit in that it is a matter of being found at peace.
James 3:18 (KJV)
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Men and women run to do things (having been filled with the Spirit) yet given to fear the intellect of the False in fear of keeping the rules these preachers have formed in having their church work honored by all the followers … never “given” to walk in the Spirit to obtain the understanding that unless you do what you do in the
Fruit of the Spirit then what you “know to do “ may help you, but being vain for another in that you are unable to teach the wisdom of how to apply the Knowledge...
This is the division that Our Lord came to bring. And when it come the following Word become part of him of her in that, in their approach to God, to say I don’t Know is to manifest their reverence toward Him.
It when you thing you know, you are lost...
Rev. 18:14 (KJV)
And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
Many worship God via an approach out their own knowledge = thinking they know an d because they do , go about doing what they do secure themselves , preaching this is God prospering them, proving that they know Him. And they might eve Know the way , able to give a message that are become aware of a new way of Gods Government , but it too can suffer the “division” of God if no approach in His Name .
It is in His name the revelation of How it is we do "know" what to do is manifested , thereby all can witness His participation in power and where this way is not honored these leaders give themselves to a form that multiplies itself via money .
You were beating on the floor; with out know you were knocking on the door!
Welcome James to the Kingdom…. Measuring "up" you are in falling down!