Posted: 10/28/2009 at 9:22am | IP Logged

Breaking Out of Entanglement

Posted: 10/28/2009 at 9:57am | IP Logged

thank you Ron, well said, well said!

very encouraging! break out of every entanglement that prevents from moving forward.

"However, if we spend our lives going around the same mountain we will perish in the wilderness and never fully experience spiritual organic church life in the real kingdom of God."

yes, to much traveling around the same 'ole mountain. it's time to let go of all of it..whether people, past experience, wounds, thought producing ways, our own perception of, etc. there is a beautiful vast land that is filled full in being in union with Spirit God, that the organic church life in His Kingdom gives expression to.

Posted: 10/28/2009 at 1:25pm | IP Logged

YES & AMEN TO THIS MY PRECIOUS BROTHER RON...HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING THE MOVE UP & OVER TO THE PROMISED LAND & STILL MAKING DECISIONS WHAT TO TAKE! I AM TOLD, "TAKE NOTHING"! REALLY THOUGHT(that is my problem at times) I HAD LET GO AND WAS READY TO "GO",,,BUT HOLY ONE REVEALED THIS "COMPLETE LETTING GO" MUST HAPPEN FIRST BEFORE THE JOURNEY CAN COMMENCE,,,HMMMM,,,CANNOT BELIEVE THE EXCUSES I HAVE COME UP WITH, BUT HOLY ONE POINTS EVERYONE OUT DILIGENTLY TO ME. (((GOT TO BREAKOUT AND GET ON THE  TRAIL TO THE REAL KINGDOM LIFESTYLE).))) YEAH GOD-HE SAYS, 'ALMOST THERE'. HALLELUJAH!!!

Posted: 10/29/2009 at 10:40am | IP Logged

Once your wagon has left the hometown and you've traveled away for some time, there are times of looking backward longing for what you knew and what seemed comfortable and safe (predictable); however, you discover that you really can't go back to town. Although you might want your heart to be content there, it just isn't.

Regarding Gayle's response, I thought of the pioneers and the trail of precious items they chose or had to discard along the way--things they thought they had to have. (Life came down to necessities rather than a pile of wants fulfilled.)

Many headed out with a dream but not much "know how" regarding how to successfully get out West. But they had a strong desire for something new. They believed there had to be something more and they chose to go for it.

Here's another interesting thought. What about the scouts that went in front of the pioneers finding good stopping places? What brave and courageous souls! I think Ron's a scout going ahead and finding the way for us. Thanks, Scout Ron!

Posted: 10/29/2009 at 5:14pm | IP Logged

Kathy, Gayle and Leslie, Thanks for your replies.

Love and obedience are always linked. We serve or attend the God or gods we love. We obey because we love and desire to please our God or false gods. Many people have made self - self-pleasure - self-independence their god. Others have made some form of religion there god. Whatever we obey because we want to not because of laws or rules. When my wife ask or tells me something I immediately desire to respond with whaterve she needs or wants. Love is the most powerful motivational force in the world.

Posted: 11/04/2009 at 8:57am | IP Logged

Ron well said, there are priorities, always to seek the Kingdom ...

The Kingdom can be also taking "them" with us .... I think a major part of this process is a witness as well  to the "establishment" those that serve in a traditional manner... the institution is being transformed ...  

If we do this, the institution will be transformed from the inside ...  

Posted: 11/04/2009 at 11:15am | IP Logged

Hello Vince,

Thanks for your reply. I think that I hear what you are saying but am not sure.

However, if you are talking about the church system being changed into the kingdom, I do not believe the system can be reformed. The people within the system hopefully will be transformed. And if they are the system will automatically disappear.The church system that exist although tolerated and used as much as possible in the past is not a system of God and is in fact spawned by other spirits that cannot come to the cross and will not be reformed. It is impossible for the system to become the kingdom of God. It would simply no longer exist because the system is not in order with God and His kingdom from the core out. This is not and cannot become the ekklesia the glorious church that Jesus is building. The system that exist cannot flow the kingdom and will continue to corrupt as long as it exist.

Perhaps I am not following what you mean by the institution being transformed.

Ron

Posted: 11/04/2009 at 12:59pm | IP Logged

The "system" is the temple made with hands. As the letter of the law was transformed through its fuffillment in the Spirit, so the temple made with hands is transformed.

The gaurdians of letter of the law, the pharisees, in the days of the Lord, did not allow its fuffillment by not allowing others to enter in. They created a heiarchy - they were the gate keepers.

But what exactly were they guilty of ? Were they not following what God had said ? Were they not operating in a system that God up to that point in history had "created"? (God was exposing their futility)

It was the Lord who forbid eating that which is unclean, and yet He told Peter to NOW "kill and eat".

So we have what is seemingly a contradiction between the old and the new.

This "contradiction" is used to stretch us by revealing our inward condition of being hardened to the very manifestation of God. (God was both an expression of the letter of the law and the Spirit.)  

The process is a matter of being able to contain the Spirit. Containing the Eternal.

Can we contain the eternal by establishing a Kingdom that leaves others behind - even those who came before us?

If we do that, even in the name of the "Kingdom," then we will have another "temple made with hands."

Posted: 11/04/2009 at 2:02pm | IP Logged

Vince we are NOT establishing any kingdom. He is establishing His kingdom in and through us and He alone determines who will enter and who will not. The system is NOT people it is a system that takes on a life of its own and then rules even the people who built it and gave it life.

You will do well to read two books that can enlighten you on the religious systems of today including their origin and their work.

Pagan Christianity - Frank Viola and George Barna

Dr. Frankenstein & World Systems – By Bob Mumford

Ron

Posted: 11/04/2009 at 2:19pm | IP Logged

Yes there is a gap between the lion and the lamb - the "rulers" and the "people"... may God have mercy on us ALL.

Posted: 11/05/2009 at 8:54am | IP Logged

Yes I agree, the religious system permeates every aspect of our lives - I am amazed at the new realizations of the Kingdom that God is birthing through ministries like this one,

We have to, on a fundamental level, realize that the leven is hidden leven. I am convinced that God is bringing to light this leven in our lives. But as the light illuminated Peter's hidden leven by saying, "Kill and eat," and his religion was offended, so we have areas in our lives that dont seem religious.

It is interesting that movements that were genuine - that God breathed - end up as a shell of the movements transcendent beginning.

Religion is like the shell.

Bless us all on our quest of His Kingdom,  

Vincent

Posted: 11/05/2009 at 1:53pm | IP Logged

Alfie ~ "I am becoming convinced that there is no program instituted by man that will stand the test of eternity." -

Amen therein lay the process ... if we cannot build our own kingdom then we cannot rule it ... so who are the rulers then???

Hmmmmm ...

Posted: 11/05/2009 at 4:41pm | IP Logged

Vince it is Christ now alive and on earth in the Spirit indwelling sons of God who builds and rules His kingdom. Nothing of the flesh is involved it is by His Spirit. Not by might or power of any human design or force. Christ in His people is the hope of glory.

Only spiritual people can hear and understand this. It is foolish to the natural mind.

1 Cor 2:7  But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
1 Cor 2:8  which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1 Cor 2:9  But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
1 Cor 2:10  But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
1 Cor 2:11  For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 2:12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
1 Cor 2:13  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor 2:14  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:15  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.

Ron

Posted: 11/06/2009 at 7:05am | IP Logged

Christ in His people is the hope of glory. allelluiah !!!

Very interesting Ron yes it is a total supplanting ... hmmmmm ...